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Folken пишет:

Ренегаты СМов бывало возвращались, яркий тому пример в том же самом дефвотче есть типаны - ч0рные щиты (или как то так)

Что неужто прям написано что они бывшие ренегаты? Хм, че-то я такого не помню...

Вася пишет:

[трольмод вклю]

Эти ваши смайлики fuuu, **** yea, trollface и так далее - ересь. Порождения интернет-свалки. Не место этому на таком пафосном и готичном форуме.

[трольмод выклю]

этоже форум. на форуме хороший срач никогда не лишний. нужно заранее к нему приготовиться

Mrakvampire пишет:

Folken пишет:

Ренегаты СМов бывало возвращались, яркий тому пример в том же самом дефвотче есть типаны - ч0рные щиты (или как то так)

Что неужто прям написано что они бывшие ренегаты? Хм, че-то я такого не помню...

конечно не все ЧЩ бывшие ренегаты - но среди них точно есть и такие. наткнулся на новый перевод по этим типанам.
кому небезынтересно - зачитайте

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Sonar пишет:

да это ясно. я думал ты в курсе почему Плакальщики - это круто. может были такие реальные крутые монахи-шаолинь или орден рыцарей известный или типа того. я еще гуглил - но не нагуглил.

пока мне всё еще кажется что Плакальщики - это не круто, и их наверняка чушат все прочие Ордена КД за это название

Да ты что??? Это название идет от оплакивания жертвы Сангвиния, Ангела Императора.

Нашёл более развернутый ответ про Плакальщиков:

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лучше бы вот на мои посты что-нибудь ответили.
типа: "о, очень интересная инфа - спасибо Дан"

О, очень интересная инфа - спасибо Дан! Только много букафф - не читал 8)

значит здесь много букаф (2 полстранички) ты не осилил, а срач Васька и Тосича на 4 ты прочёл с удовольствием? я ту тему кстати открыл - раз там интереснее, пусть же следует продолжение

добавил смайлов кстати

Крутые смайлы!!!

Sonar пишет:

... я ту тему кстати открыл - раз там интереснее

я ту тему кстати удалил. уж больно толстый тролинг там пошёл

Корупшен поинтов можно нахвататься пожирая мозги не из-за самого процесса пожирания а из-за тех знаний которые ты можешь получить.
Folken

Всем привет!
Левик жжет! Именно это я и собрался написать. Совершенно верно! Если сожрать мозг пилота, когда надо улететь, даже кидать ни на что не придется. Я бы хотел это прояснить.
Если процесс пожирания начинает доставлять тебе удовольствие, это уже совсем другая ботва. Тогда начинаешь жрать по поводу, и без повода. Тогда может пойти коррупция.
Если пожираешь мозг пришельца или еретика, его зараза может передаться тебе.

кстати, ссылки читают, по статистике, реже, чем сплошной текст, поэтому я пощу здесь:
хотел перевести, но пока так:

Imperial Truth

The Imperial Truth is the name given to the official set of secular, rationalist philosophical and cultural beliefs promulgated by the Emperor of Mankind during his Great Crusade to reunite all the worlds of Mankind beneath the umbrella of the newborn Imperium of Man in the 31st Millennium. The Imperial Truth was pioneered by the Emperor on Terra even before the Great Crusade began, and is a collection of beliefs that upholds the core values of reason, science and secular progress over older traditions of religion, superstition and faith that had longed defined many of the human worlds that had fallen into darkness during the Age of Strife after the fall of humanity's first interstellar civilisation. The Emperor himself declared that Mankind would never be free to progress and advance to its destined position as the pre-eminent intelligent species in the Milky Way Galaxy until "the last stone from the last church was cast down onto the last priest." He purged ancient Terra of all its ancient religions and superstitious beliefs, even going so far as to personally witness the destruction of the final church on Terra's ancient soil after engaging its resident holy man in a battle of ideas, wit and dogma. The Imperial Truth also held that humanity was the speces which should rightfully rule the galaxy since its physical form was both the most pure and all of the other intelligent alien races, such as the Eldar, had already tried and failed to maintain galaxy-spanning civilisations. Now it was Mankind's turn to find a place in the sun. The Imperial Truth needed to be brought to all the worlds of Mankind, peacefully at first but imposed by war if necessary, because the Emperor believed that unity was the only way for humanity to survive and prosper in the face of a very hostile universe. If this required the unfortunate use of force for those who refused to understand this necessity, then so be it. While the Imperial Truth upheld the light of reason and science, it did have one proscription: men must never develop artificially intelligent machines. The Emperor remembered that it was the great war fought by Mankind against the thinking machines known as the Men of Iron that had helped to destroy humanity's last united interstellar civilisation at the end of the Dark Age of Technology and he had no desire to see the human race repeat its past mistakes. As such, when the expeditionary fleets of the Great Crusade encountered advanced human civilisations in the dark of space that had developed artificial intelligence, these worlds' populations were simply exterminated outright as potential dangers to the entire body politic of the newborn Imperium.
The Imperial Truth was spread to all of the rediscovered human colony worlds during the Great Crusade, taught to the men of the Imperial Army, spread by the Astartes, and inculcated among the populations of newly discovered and Compliant worlds by scores of Imperial Iterators, a corps of orators and rhetoricians of supreme skill and passion who were attached to every Expeditionary Fleet of the Great Crusade specifically to spread the Imperial Truth. This creed only further strengthened the Great Crusade, lending the Emperor's symbolic support to all of the scientists, sceptics and thinkers on whom the Emperor's plans for a united, galaxy-spanning human civilisation hinged. The Emperor needed a new Renaissance to begin across the nascent Imperium to see his ambitious dreams for the betterment of Mankind fulfilled. The Emperor hoped that a new age of science and technological progress would solidify and consolidate the gains he and his warriors had made in achieving a new place for Mankind in the galaxy, a restoration of humanity's rightful place as the predominant intelligent species in the known universe.

However, the dominance of the Imperial Truth was already under attack decades before the Horus Heresy had even begun. A text known as the Lectitio Divinitatus calling upon all of humanity to recognise the Emperor's divinity as the one, true God of Mankind had been authored by none other than the Primarch Lorgar of the Word Bearers Legion. Lorgar had been raised on Colchis, a theocratic world dominated by priests and the worship of the ancient Gods of what was called the Old Faith. Lorgar had overturned the Old Faith in pursuit of a new religion called the Covenant of Colchis that saw the Emperor as a God incarnate after Lorgar had suffered from visions throughout his youth of a god-like figure that would eventually stand beside him. These visions, probably psychic in origin, eventually proved true when the Emperor came to Colchis to collect his lost son. In the interim, Lorgar, alongside his mentor and foster father the high priest Kor Phaeron, had launched a successful six-year-long religious civil war against the adherents of the Old Faith on Colchis to force them to convert to his new religion of worship of the Emperor.

After Lorgar finally met his father, he penned the Lectitio Divinitatus which taught that the Emperor was a God deserving of worship. The text spread rapidly through the expeditionary fleets of the Great Crusade, and received more support amongst the civilians and support personnel of the fleets and Compliant Imperial worlds than with the Imperial Army's officers and the Astartes, who believed more strongly in the Imperial Truth because of their closeness to the Emperor. Yet, over time many of the people of the Imperium became convinced that the Emperor was truly a divine being and Emperor-worship cults began to spread, slowly at first but quickly gaining more momentum as the onset of the Horus Heresy approached and the influence of the Dark Gods began to wax. This process was accelerated since the Word Bearers would convert every world they made Compliant for the Imperium to their new faith, which made their progress much slower than that of the other Astartes Legions and ultimately lead to their brutal humiliation as failures in the Great Crusade before the Emperor himself on the world of Khur, one of the planets where they had successfully spread the faith of the God-Emperor. This savage rebuke came only after the Emperor ordered the Ultramarines Legion to destroy the great Khurian city of Monarchia where he had been openly worshipped as the God of Mankind. This humiliation played a major part in Lorgar's corruption and fall to Chaos, allowing his First Captain Kor Phaeron and First Chaplain Erebus to convert him to the worship of the Chaos Gods and the subtle corruption of his Legion. Lorgar had always rejected the Imperial Truth and believed whole-heartedly that religious faith was what truly made Mankind strong in the face of adversity. If the Emperor rejected his worship, than he was determined to find the Gods of the Colchisian Old Faith that he had once warred against and offer them his devotion. He led a portion of his Legion, the Chapter of the serrated Sun, on what became the Pilgrimage of Lorgar to find these true divine beings and he ultimately made contact with them near the world of Cadia close to the Eye of Terror. Lorgar willingly gave his soul to them once he learned that there were truly Gods in the universe and that they welcomed the worship of Men. Soon a secret, devoted servant of the Ruinous Powers who feared the imposition of the Order over the galaxy that the Imperium brought, Lorgar spent the next several decades slowly positioning the pieces of a great plot to convert the Space Marine Legions to the service of Chaos and ultimately bring on the great revolt against the Emperor.

The Imperial Truth slowly died away as the Horus Heresy progressed and religious faith in the Emperor seemed to offer both spiritual succor and real psychic protection against the growing powers and daemonic threats of the Ruinous Powers worshiped by the fearsome Traitor Legions. Just as the Word Bearers had once converted whole worlds to the worship of the Emperor, now Lorgar imposed the bloody worship of the Dark Gods upon every world they captured during the Heresy, forcing the inhabitants to memorise his new work of faith, the Chaotic Book of Lorgar. Once the Horus Heresy ended in the defeat of the Forces of Chaos and the Traitor Legions fled into the Eye of Terror, the Imperial Truth's hold on the hearts of Men retreated even more rapidly. Without the Emperor's guiding influence and constant reaffirmation of his desire for the establishment of an Imperial culture based on secular rationalism, superstition and religion crept back into the hearts of Mankind.

Lorgar had been right about one thing: religion did provide a far surer way to bind humanity together than reason and science. Belief in the Imperial Truth was slowly eroded away, year by year, world by world, until the Adeptus Ministorum was officially formed in the 32nd Millennium and the Imperial Cult was recognised as the state religion of the Imperium by the High Lords of Terra. The Imperial Cult combined the widespread human beliefs in the God-Emperor who protected humanity from the terrible dangers of the universe into a single, unifying religion that would sweep away the Imperial Truth as false and heretical dogma. Ultimately, the Imperium's state religion lead Mankind towards a decline into ignorance, superstition, intolerance and tyranny, the very things the Emperor had fought so earnestly against. Ironically, by the 41st Millennium, the Imperial Truth itself would be seen as a heresy punishable by death at the hands of the Ecclesiarchy or the Inquisition.

The Emperor's PurposeEdit
At first glance, the Imperial Truth seems to be a great contradiction: why would the Emperor of Mankind, an immortal being who had been alive for millennia and who well knew about the existence of the Chaos Gods, daemons and all the other psychically-reactive entitities of the Immaterium, promulgate a code of belief that only upheld reason and science? Particularly when the psychic power within the Warp generated by the faith of billions of people could be used to protect them from the influence of Chaos. The reason seems to be that the Emperor's entire purpose in initiating the Great Crusade and the creation of a galaxy-spanning Imperium of Man was to seek the destruction of Chaos once and for all. The Emperor, who had himself been responsible for the development of several of the major religions once prevalent on Old Earth, had dedicated his entire existence to the ultimate benefit of Mankind. Yet time and time again, he had seen the principles he had propounded in the form of religion become twisted by human nature, transforming a faith based on the tenets of love and respect for one another into bloody creeds of violence, repression, murder and holy war that actually strengthened the Chaos Gods.
After the onset of the Age of Strife brought an end to humanity's previous interstellar Golden Age and savagery consumed human civilisation, the Emperor decided that his long policy of hiding his true nature from his fellow men as he sought to guide them towards a better future had failed. He needed to take a far more active role in shaping his species' future, so he created the persona of the Emperor and intended to use his own potent psychic abilities, intellect and extraordinary knowledge to reunite the entire scattered human race, by force if necessary. The Emperor came to this harsh conclusion because he feared that unless all of Mankind was united, it would eventually be destroyed piecemeal by the hideous dangers lurking in the galaxy, including Chaos and the other alien races. By promulgating the Imperial Truth on every world inhabited by humanity in the galaxy, the Emperor ironically hoped to eventually create a psychic well of belief in reason and science so strong that the Chaos Gods, who thrived and grew stronger on Mankind's darker psychic emanations, would be fatally weakened.

Of course, the Ruinous Powers were aware of the Emperor's intentions and they moved from the beginning to destroy this plan and actually make it work in their favour. They first corrupted several of the Primarchs almost at the moment of their birth when they were stolen from the Emperor's gene-laboratories beneath the Himalayan Mountains and scattered through the Warp across the galaxy. They next corrupted Lorgar and used him as their instrument to corrupt Horus and eventually all of the Primarchs and Traitor Legions who turned against the Emperor and ended his dream of a united Imperium opening a new Golden Age of reason and progress for Mankind. In the end, the Emperor miscalculated, deeply underestimating Mankind's basic need to believe in something larger than itself beyond the stale confines of science and technology. Ironically, what ultimately presented the only hope for Mankind surviving the Age of the Imperium that unfolded after the end of the Horus Heresy was religious faith in the Emperor himself. Humanity's collective faith in the God-Emperor empowers his psychic form within the Warp, allowing him to combat the destructive influence of Chaos and providing his servants with the psychic power to defend themselves against the threats of daemons, aliens and heretics alike. Though the price for the survival of the Imperium has been incredibly high, a cost far greater than the Emperor hoped humanity would have to bear, a new version of the Imperial Truth has become predominant among the million worlds of Mankind, a truth whose first principle is the cornerstone of the Imperial Creed: the Emperor protects.

Это я Тосичу хотел, в основном, показать.

(ПсЫ: Император не может считаться колдуном, так как всегда боролся с Варпом, тем или иным способом, и пытался ограничить его влияние).

По-моему, линейка такая:

- Хаос (эмоции/желания/страсти) -> Коррупция (влияние на человека) -> Следствия (честолюбие, потребительство, амбиции, стремление реализовать свои страсти, в том числе гнев, похоть, желание власти, в общем, то, что называется "разными путями") -> Жажда "Свободы" (то есть позволения эти страсти реализовывать, не считаясь ни с чем, срыв авторитетов, при растущей зависимости от самих страстей) -> Ересь (способы достижения своих новых целей).

Кстати, текст на англ. языке читают еще реже, чем ссылки )

ДМ пишет:

Это я Тосичу хотел, в основном, показать.

(ПсЫ: Император не может считаться колдуном, так как всегда боролся с Варпом, тем или иным способом, и пытался ограничить его влияние).

тосичу щас писать здесь бесполезно. он забанен. желающие вступить с ним в бессмысленную дискуссию - пишут в его "уютной ЖЖшечке"

Apfor пишет:

Кстати, текст на англ. языке читают еще реже, чем ссылки )

да. хотелось бы в общих чертах узнать о чём говорит иностранец

я переведу. просто думал, ты опять нароешь этот текст на русском ;)

Еще раз - плиз, разбань Тосича!

текст на русском не гуглил (хотя была такая мысль). завтра попрбоую нарыть. мне для гугления нужно было как раз "в общих чертах" - типа про что гуглить то. если нагуглю - тебе сообщу - чтоб ты не переводил

Имперская Правда
текст из ВикиВахи

ДМ пишет:

Имперская Правда

похоже на название газеты да простит меня Император

это Доктрина Императора до Ереси Хоруса :)
текст важен целиком